Marriage is a bond where new relationships are developed and new beginnings begin. Love is a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, for a parent, child, or friend. In both poems, “Conjoined” by Judith Minty and “A Valediction; Forbidding Mourning” by John Donne talk about the nature of a “relationship.” In Minty’s poem, “Conjoined,” she shows us how a couple in a marriage can be together but not be together as one because they are lacking communication and connection with one another. Where as in Donne’s poem, the author talks about love being a special bond that can last through out a lifetime and continues even after death. Through the use of diction and similes both authors are able to bring their point across.
Love can be described as well as sometimes shown in many ways, but to Donne it is a phrase where a couple must go through test and time apart from each other but not show a sign of grief. For example, “As Viruous men pass mildly away, And whisper to their souls to go, Whilst some of their sad friends do say The breath goes now, and some say, No; So let us melt, and make no noise, No tear-floods, nor sigh-tempests move, Twere profanation of our joys To tell the laity our love” (Donne). In this simile, two lovers are saying their farewells to each other but they don’t show any sign of sadness or any other emotion. They believe that they are strong and can get through anything together. Although they are shown to be miles and miles apart the author describes that they are together in the spiritual world and will continue to be together forever. Death does not do them apart, this is what the simile is trying to convey. Love is more than physical attraction with another individual but a deeper bond that keeps two people together even when they are away from one other. For example, “Dull sublunary lovers’ love (Whose soul is sense) cannot admit Absence, because it doth remove Those things which elemented it (Donne). The author talks about “absence” and how an individual does not forget about their loved ones although they are far apart from each other. If a couple only have a physical bond it is not "as special" of a connection, where as if a couple do share that "special bond/connection" they can relate and feel each other without physical being present by their partners side. Futher more,“spiritual love” is when two people love each other very much they do not need to be together every single moment in order to be satisfied with one another because they possess that special connection, like Mr. D said in our class discussion.
However in the “Conjoined” poem the author uses many examples to convey her point. For example, she compares a couple to “ An accident, like the two-headed calf rooted in one body, fighting to suck at its mother’s teats; or like those other freaks, Chang and Eng, twins joined at the chest by skin and muscle, doomed to live, even make love, together for sixty years (Donne). Not only does this stanza put a very vivid picture in one’s mind but also discusses the view points of a man and women. Being “Conjoined” can refer to a positive and negative thing. It can be negative because an individual(s) can be stuck with a person and not have that "special connection", “like the two-headed calf,” they fight consistently. This can be a positive thing because the individual(s) have to work with each other and be on the same page in order to make everything work out. But most importantly to make their relationship successful. In the poem the use of diction helps the author show the ups and downs in a marriage. Also the use of some harsh words to describe a husband and wife. For example, grief, sadness, or an argument(s) in a couple is referred to as “monster;”“Two-headed calf,” this refers to the fights in a relationship; “freaks,” shows us an understanding how all relationships are different and unique. “Conjoined” is about a marriage where two couples are forced to be together and constantly fighting and are unhappy with each other. :(
Marriage is a legal joining of two people; a union. It is an amazing, special bond between two people and their families. Love is a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection which last will continue on even after death, eternally. In both poems, “Conjoined” by Judith Minty and “A Valediction; Forbidding Mourning” by John Donne; the author uses figurative language such as diction and simile to talk about “marriage” as well as to bring their point across. Donne conveys that love can be eternal, spiritually bond where as Minty describes it to be a painful bond in which an everything is not always what you want it to be, it can be forced. Both authors convey their messages through the use of similes and diction. :) :) :)
Monday, April 5, 2010
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ReplyDelete1. The essays thesis " In Minty’s poem, “Conjoined,” she shows us how a couple in a marriage can be together but not be together as one because they are lacking communication and connection with one another." The thesis does answer the prompt, and Navdeep's introduction has a great start. I admire the fact that she explained Marriage and love in such detailed manner. I very well agreed with Navdeep's opinions and your introduction was simple and gave a good understanding of what is to come in the rest of the essay. I like this more than mine because it makes more sense.. keke! :)
2. The essay did contain quotations and evidence from what I have read. However there should be more evidence of diction because you have a pretty good amount of information about similes. Level out the information you want to prove.
3. Yes Navdeep does work to to analyze her quotes. Such as, " “As Viruous men pass mildly away, And whisper to their souls to go, Whilst some of their sad friends do say The breath goes now, and some say, No; So let us melt, and make no noise, No tear-floods, nor sigh-tempests move, Twere profanation of our joys To tell the laity our love” (Donne). In this simile, two lovers are saying their farewells to each other but they don’t show any sign of sadness or any other emotion. They believe that they are strong and can get through anything together. Although they are shown to be miles and miles apart the author describes that they are together in the spiritual world and will continue to be together forever. Death does not do them apart, this is what the simile is trying to convey." I a very fond of this.. so intricate and has a good meaning behind. You seem to have a really good understanding of what the poems are about and I wish I could have thought of it the way you did. ;)
4. Yes! Navdeep does analyze the literary devices of the poem's effect on love and marriage. Like before, nice amount of similes but more diction would be satisfying as well.
5. Okay! Near the end of your essay you mention all these words and I am not sure if they are suppose to prove the diction of your essay. So maybe you do have an equal amount of proof between the two figurative languages.
6. Alright .. in this section----> "Also the use of some harsh words to describe a husband and wife, for example, grief and sadness s in a couple is referred to as “monster;”
“Two-headed calf,” refers to the fights in a relationship; “freaks,” shows us an understanding how all relationships are different and unique. “Conjoined” is about a marriage where two couples are forced to be together and constantly fighting and are un happy." perhaps.... would you consider some more complex sentences, other than simple ending sentences? Would this give the meaning behind the words more of a in depth meaning? Now with this statement.. " However in the “Conjoined” poem the author uses many examples to convey her point." do you think you could add more juice to it and make it more interesting than just vague????
7. Just wanted to inform you that I learned something new.... well from your understanding and the text of the poem.. oh here it is.. "Also if a couple only have a physical bond it is not as special of a connection but if a couple have that special bond and love it is deeper than that. For example, two people who love each other very much do not need to be together 24/7 in order to be satisfied but have that special connection, “spiritual love” like Mr. D said."
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1. Navdeep’s thesis is: “In Minty’s poem, “Conjoined,” she shows us how a couple in a marriage can be together but not be together as one because they are lacking communication and connection with one another. Where as in Donne’s poem, the author talks about love being a special bond that can last throughout a lifetime and continues even after death. Through the use diction and similes both authors are able to bring their point across.” I think that her thesis answers the prompt and it provides enough information to know what her essay is going to be about. I think that her introduction is explained well and it goes into her thesis well.
ReplyDelete2. I think Navdeep’s evidence from the text is effective for what she is proving. The things she chose from each poem show that she learned a lot from each poem.
3. The analysis of the text was clear and I was able to understand what she was trying to prove. She explained each quote well which showed how she was able to understand the poems.
4. I think that you said there were literary devices in the poems but you didn’t really explain how each of those literary devices was helpful in the understanding of the poem. You just stated that they were there.
5. I am a little confused about this one, but I don’t think there were any misinterpretations, so good job!
6. How does the use of each simile effect or help prove the meaning of the poem? Is there more to understand about the couple in conjoined being unhappy or is the poem only about that? Did you look up any other outside resources to get a better a different perspective on the text? That might help to expand your analysis.
7. Reread your essay because there were some spots were I think there was a word missing becasue it was little confusing. Overall, good job! :)
Let’s start with your thesis. I can see that your thesis is more embedded throughout the entirety of the introduction rather than it being just the last sentence of your first paragraph, which is definitely okay. But I’d like to see a more direct statement on how the uses of so and so literary techniques help to prove these ideas of each author. It is evident that text is pulled from the poems in order to be used as evidence, but it seems to be quite large of a chunk. I believe you pulled two entire stanzas from the poems. There is no law that says you can’t do that, but I believe that if you are going to pull such large pieces from the text, everything you line must be analyzed one way or another. On the other hand, you are showing upper level analysis throughout the essay. The only problem I have is with your interpretation of the first stanza of “A Valediction: Forbidden Mourning” where you state that “Although they are shown to be miles and miles apart the author describes that they are together in the spiritual world and will continue to be together forever. Death does not do them apart, this is what the simile is trying to convey. Love is more than physical attraction another person but is a deeper bond that keeps two people together even when they are miles apart.” I do believe that the author does advocate this idea, but I don’t believe it is shown in this specific evidence you chose to analyze but somewhere else in the poem. That last little section on your first body paragraph when you said “For example, two people who love each other very much do not need to be together 24/7 in order to be satisfied but have that special connection, “spiritual love” like Mr. D said,” seems to be to informal and unsuited for higher classified writing. Here are some questions I’d like you to think about. How does the connotation of the words dull and sublunary affect the tone of the piece? What emotions do you feel when you visualize the image of the two-headed calf and the twins? Are the marriages described in “Conjoined” actually unhappy or does it feel that way due to the tone of the piece?
ReplyDelete:) Thank You for your lovely comments they helped me out alot in where I need to make changes. :)
ReplyDeleteWell Pam, Courtney and Andrew all seemed to like my thesis and introduction which is a :) good :) because that is very important.
Pam commented on my draft and said that I did a good job and helped her alot by introducing her to new ideas and topics that she didnt think of before. She also thought that I should change up by sentnece structure instead of just using simple sentence as well as add more commentary to convey my point across. This has helped me with editing my draft as well as when i write my future essays it will stay in my mind. :)
Courtney helped me out by pointing oput that I made some silly errors by not re-reading my draft. Also she stated that "I think that you said there were literary devices in the poems but you didn’t really explain how each of those literary devices was helpful in the understanding of the poem. You just stated that they were there" soo having this in mind it will help me revise my draft alot becuase after reading everyone's essays it will help with what i need to add and delete.
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Andrew like Pam and Courtney pointed out a few things that i need to improve on and change. For example, that my writing "seems to be to informal and unsuited for higher classified writing" and i should try to use more elavated language (i guess :/) Which i will try in my revise :)
Thank You for reading my draft! ALSO thanks for the questions they will help me THINK and help me with my revision :)